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Re: [Snort-users] v2.8.4 incorrect logging to MySQL

From: JJ Cummings <cummingsj_at_nospam>
Date: Tue Apr 14 2009 - 22:55:15 GMT
To: Loyal A Moses <loyalmoses@mac.com>


All joking aside, my logic button pushing rubbish included...

I still don't understand how you can qualify the modifications to the license as a subversive way to be able to "hi-jack" the code base and close it... and so as Marty said... we'll have to agree to disagree...

JJC On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Loyal A Moses <loyalmoses@mac.com> wrote:

>
> Wrong again!
>
> "by your logic" -- if you thought that was the logic in my posts, then this
> provides much more insight into the lack of understanding out there.
>
> The content on Aanval is copyright, the source for Drupal and contributed
> works are copyright their respective owners and adheres to the license it
> was released under.
>
> I would have thought this type of knowledge is just quite common.
>
> Silly, silly, silly.
>
> On Apr 14, 2009, at 3:40 PM, JJ Cummings wrote:
>
> Also, by your logic... any website that was created using Drupal (a GPL
> project that I am sure you are quite familiar with, that has TONS of
> contributed code etc etc...) should probably NOT have a copyright at the
> bottom? I mean, it's the same logic... so I'm just sayin is all...
>
> kthx
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Loyal A Moses <loyalmoses@mac.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Was that sarcasm?
>>
>> Cause I think I might know the facility you are talking about. ;-)
>>
>> On Apr 14, 2009, at 3:08 PM, JJ Cummings wrote:
>>
>> I am pretty sure that this clearly states the source will be completely
>> closed... i.e. transcribed into ancient Egyptian, sealed with the seal of
>> the Royal Pig, locked in a vault with 10' thick walls.. buried deep within
>> an undisclosed NBC facility that has a large detail of highly trained
>> special ops guards on duty...... right?
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 3:51 PM, pieter claassen <pieter@claassen.co.uk>wrote:
>>
>>> This is from the license file included in snortsp-3.0.0b3:
>>>
>>> * The Snort Security Platform and its included engine module software
>>> * ("Snort") is the copyrighted work of Sourcefire, Inc. (C) 2007-2008
>>> * Sourcefire, Inc. All Rights Reserved. This program is free software;
>>> you
>>> * may use, redistribute and/or modify this software only under the terms
>>> * and conditions of the GNU General Public License as published by the
>>> Free
>>> * Software Foundation; Version 2 with the clarifications and exceptions
>>> * described below.
>>> ...
>>>
>>> Are you saying there is something else happening here?
>>>
>>> Pieter
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 11:06 PM, Loyal A Moses <loyalmoses@mac.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Marty,
>>> >
>>> > Do you mean open source as in GPL or equivalent or as in we can all
>>> > read the source?
>>> >
>>> > A quote from you:
>>> >
>>> > "We're also saying that people who want to
>>> > contribute code to the project do so with the knowledge that we're
>>> > going to consider the code as assigned to Sourcefire unless other
>>> > arrangements are made."
>>> >
>>> > That doesn't sound so "open source" to me and more like a charade.
>>> >
>>> > And another quote in the same posting by you:
>>> >
>>> > "Given that we need to be able to offer Snort under an alternative
>>> > license for commercial integrators who are integrating Snort and
>>> > don't want to adhere to the GPL it's essential that we retain the
>>> > right to relicense the totality of the codebase."
>>> >
>>> > Now, there is the real reason.
>>> >
>>> > Just be direct and communicate that version 3 will not be GPL and
>>> > Sourcefire will now retain all rights. Unless you plan on having two
>>> > source branches with zero intellectual-property cross over and
>>> > licensed independently.
>>> >
>>> > I am not hostile towards the concept. The concept is business and it
>>> > is what it is.
>>> >
>>> > Loyal.
>>> >
>>> > On Apr 14, 2009, at 1:40 PM, Martin Roesch wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Snort 3.0 is open source.
>>> >>
>>> >> Marty
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Loyal A Moses <loyalmoses@mac.com>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Snort is open source, until version 3. But that is a whole other
>>> >>> argument.
>>> >>> On Apr 14, 2009, at 1:11 PM, Joel Esler wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> No one is taking a vote, we just said, "if we had a vote in it..."
>>> >>> I'd
>>> >>> rather take the code out of the IDS/IPS and put it into an output
>>> >>> module.
>>> >>> One that is maintained well (as Shawn said).
>>> >>> Snort is an open source program, I don't see harm in discussion on
>>> >>> Snort's
>>> >>> own mailing lists do you?
>>> >>> J
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Loyal A Moses <loyalmoses@mac.com>
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Is Sourcefire limited on development skill or man power?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> It makes no sense at all to remove one of the most common facilities
>>> >>>> in use by snort users because it is "too complex".
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> In the end, you'll do what you are going to do regardless of the
>>> >>>> community -- we've seen it before. But don't use "complexity" and
>>> >>>> "bugs" as the excuse.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Sourcefire is a publicly traded company -- Is it smart to be taking
>>> >>>> votes on product development from a mailing list? I wouldn't think
>>> >>>> so.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Loyal.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Apr 14, 2009, at 11:52 AM, Jason Brvenik wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> I have an ulterior motive and it is simple.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Many of the bugs and issues over time with snort have been in
>>> >>>>> output
>>> >>>>> plugins. Make one well supported, tested, unified method designed
>>> >>>>> for
>>> >>>>> best performance and while doing so it improves the
>>> >>>>> supportability and
>>> >>>>> maintainability of the code base.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Loyal A Moses <loyalmoses@mac.com
>>> >
>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>> My vote is to provide as many output options as possible, to help
>>> >>>>>> keep
>>> >>>>>> snort used as a tool.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> The argument of code complexity being a good reason to remove
>>> >>>>>> output
>>> >>>>>> facilities is only valid if the code is written poorly and not
>>> >>>>>> modular. This wheel doesn't need re-invented and this
>>> >>>>>> conversation is
>>> >>>>>> kind of silly, unless there is ulterior motives for actually
>>> >>>>>> wanting
>>> >>>>>> to remove this support.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Loyal.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
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