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Re: [Full-disclosure] Linus summarizes state of the "security industry" with precision and accuracy.

From: John C. A. Bambenek, GCIH, CISSP <bambenek.infosec_at_nospam>
Date: Mon Aug 18 2008 - 22:14:41 GMT


Who's Linus?

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 3:50 PM, Simon Valiquette <v.simon@ieee.org> wrote:

> coderman un jour écrivit:
> > ... hypothesis that "security researchers" are all masturbating monkey
> > whores is now proven definitively. [0]
> >
> > """
> > Too often, so-called "security" is split into two camps: one that
> > believes in nondisclosure of problems by hiding knowledge until a bug
> > is fixed, and one that "revels in exposing vendor security holes
> > because they see that as just another proof that the vendors are
> > corrupt and crap, which admittedly mostly are," Torvalds states.
> >
> > Torvalds went on to say he views both camps as "crazy."
> >
> > "Both camps are whoring themselves out for their own reasons, and both
> > camps point fingers at each other as a way to cement their own reason
> > for existence," Torvalds asserts.
> > """
> >
> > 0. Torvalds Interview with Network World , 08/14/2008
> >
> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/081408-torvalds-security-circus.html
> >
>
> Isn't that quite old news? Not only the article doesn't offer anything
> new, but It also doesn't give the full picture and offer very little
> useful information compared to the real discussion.
>
> I did read the thread at this time, and there was many interesting
> ideas. If I happens to see an article that resume well the issues
> involved, I'll post a link, but I won't spend much time searching, so
> don't wait after me.
>
>
> By the way, Linus Torvalds is very well known to enjoy starting flames
> on purpose (he calls that "flamefesting"). This time, the troll was trown
> at OpenBSD, but It was too big to be taken seriously by them, so It is
> mostly the security people that reacted.
>
> I prefer the troll he launched last year when he basically said that
> Gnome is just a waste of time and than both users and developers should
> just give-up and move on to KDE, which would be a much better and
> productive use of their time. It was said in 2007 directly on some major
> Gnome mailing list, like his previous flames against Gnome. :o)
>
>
> Simon Valiquette
>
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