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Re: [Full-disclosure] Why are you against n3td3v?

From: andrew.wallace <andrew.wallace_at_nospam>
Date: Sun Jan 11 2009 - 17:09:58 GMT
To: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk

On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 4:51 PM, <Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu> wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 16:09:45 GMT, "andrew.wallace" said:
>> I can't help if Robert Lemos, Neal Krawetz gave false reports about
>> n3td3v, that seems to have damaged us a lot and having to defend my
>> position constantly to a bunch of aliases on full-disclosure because
>> they believed something that was written in the media and had an
>> expectation and when that expectation couldn't be met, they thought
>> I'm a lie and a fake and the members of the n3td3v mailing list can't
>> be real.
> I hate to inject some actual reality, but a few things to consider:
> 1) 'n3td3v' was *already* widely regarded as a troll when Krawetz did
> his research - he picked 'n3td3v' *specifically because* it was regarded
> as the biggest security troll since Gobbles.

I'm not a troll and neither was Gobbles.

> 2) I suspect that the vast majority of full-disclosure readers either
> didn't know or didn't care about Krawetz's posting until you made a
> point of complaining about it and invoked the Streisand Effect on yourself.

You don't know the vast majority, you social with a few names on full-disclosure who are active posters.

> 3) The high troll factor of 'n3td3v' on the full-disclosure list scared
> off a very high percentage of the full-disclosure people who concluded that
> any list of 4,500+ run by a troll/idiot of the caliber seen on full-disclosure
> *must* be composed mostly of sock puppets and other trolls.

I'm not a troll and only serious researchers are subscribed to the n3td3v mailing list group.

That was the mistake made people thought I was a troll, n3td3v isn't a troll its been real the whole time.

> Seriously - go back and re-read your postings over the past several years,
> and then ask yourself "What would *I* think about this poster if I didn't
> know who he was?".

I have and I see me saying things that people thought I was saying to get a reaction when they are actually real things that are going on and my actual opinion on things.

The only actual troll i've seen *ever* on full-disclosure is "Ureleet" thats your troll, neither n3td3v or Gobbles have ever been trolls.

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