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Re: [Full-disclosure] Why are you against n3td3v?

From: <Valdis.Kletnieks_at_nospam>
Date: Sun Jan 11 2009 - 16:51:07 GMT
To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk


On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 16:09:45 GMT, "andrew.wallace" said:

> I can't help if Robert Lemos, Neal Krawetz gave false reports about
> n3td3v, that seems to have damaged us a lot and having to defend my
> position constantly to a bunch of aliases on full-disclosure because
> they believed something that was written in the media and had an
> expectation and when that expectation couldn't be met, they thought
> I'm a lie and a fake and the members of the n3td3v mailing list can't
> be real.

I hate to inject some actual reality, but a few things to consider:

  1. 'n3td3v' was *already* widely regarded as a troll when Krawetz did his research - he picked 'n3td3v' *specifically because* it was regarded as the biggest security troll since Gobbles.
  2. I suspect that the vast majority of full-disclosure readers either didn't know or didn't care about Krawetz's posting until you made a point of complaining about it and invoked the Streisand Effect on yourself.
  3. The high troll factor of 'n3td3v' on the full-disclosure list scared off a very high percentage of the full-disclosure people who concluded that any list of 4,500+ run by a troll/idiot of the caliber seen on full-disclosure *must* be composed mostly of sock puppets and other trolls.

Seriously - go back and re-read your postings over the past several years, and then ask yourself "What would *I* think about this poster if I didn't know who he was?".



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