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Re: [Full-disclosure] [funsec] Internet attacks against Georgian web sites

From: William McAfee <sec-community_at_nospam>
Date: Sun Aug 17 2008 - 22:57:59 GMT
To: Static Rez <staticrez@gmail.com>


I'm sorry, I forgot to link the actual website.

http://www.stopgeorgia.ru

On Sun, 2008-08-17 at 17:32 -0400, William McAfee wrote:
> I would like to point out one of the websites where the Russian side of
> things appears to be collaborating. I have no reason to believe the
> Russian government is actively performing visible consequence attacks on
> Georgia. If the Russian government actually is performing attacks, it
> is most likely SIGINT work, backend communications disruption, etc.
>
> On Sun, 2008-08-17 at 16:20 -0400, Static Rez wrote:
> > The only cyber wars going on in government are probably done
> > discreetly without any side even knowing it's occuring. it's called
> > SPYING. But i do not, personally, have any proof of this.
> >
> > sr.
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Radoslav Dejanović
> > <radoslav.dejanovic@opsus.hr> wrote:
> > Paul Ferguson wrote:
> >
> > > Also, I wish to say:
> > >
> > > "It is clear that there are anti-Georgian forces at work on
> > the
> > > Internet."
> > >
> > > "Who they are, and what their motivations are 9at this
> > point),
> > > remains to be seen."
> >
> >
> > Just for the record...
> >
> > There were in the past several such "cyber wars" between
> > Croatia and
> > Serbia, with the scenario not quite unlike this one. The
> > scenario is as
> > follows:
> >
> > 1. there's some political tension between countries;
> >
> > 2. someone on one side decides that it would be highly
> > patriotic to
> > attack servers on the other side;
> >
> > 3. someone on the other side retaliates by attacking other
> > country's
> > servers;
> >
> > 4. more individuals join in, adding to the magnitude of the
> > event;
> > clueless media joins in with headlines like "brave local
> > patriots are
> > hacking the (evil) other side into oblivion; we have won the
> > real war,
> > we're going to win this one too";
> >
> > 5. governments do not quite understand what is going on, but
> > they do not
> > intervene because they can get some political points out of
> > that mess
> > (cracked government web pages are collateral damage and in
> > fact good for
> > propaganda);
> >
> > 6. after some time, the "cyberwar" ceases.
> >
> >
> > IMHO, what is going on in Georgia is a scenario like the one
> > above. I
> > don't think there's any real cyberwar between governments
> > going on, but
> > in fact local groups of people who believe that they're
> > showing their
> > patriotism. Therefore:
> >
> > - who they are: groups of individuals, not a state operated
> > force
> >
> > - what are their motivations: showing patriotism and having a
> > "legitimate" target to practice "cyberwar", as nobody is going
> > to
> > prosecute a patriotic attack on enemy country's
> > infrastructure.
> >
> > - how to end it: it will end by itself.
> >
> >
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