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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

From: Yudi Rosen <yr42.lists_at_nospam>
Date: Mon Jan 05 2009 - 12:12:45 GMT
To: "Prototype This" <terminale@gmail.com>


True, I could...yet this one is just a nonsensical flame-fight and really out of place.

There's a difference between police shooting at demonstrations, and soldiers rolling in with tanks. Police shootings are not military operations, they happen just about everywhere on earth and are no indication of what's going on.

On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Prototype This <terminale@gmail.com> wrote:

> Nobody force you to answer or even read this topic. You can still
> answer and read other topic.
>
> And what a liar you are.Yesterday a 20 year old boy got shoot dead by
> israel in Westbank in a demonstration. So dont speak like the soldiers
> are little angels. In fact Satan himself , take special course from
> sionist ppl.
>
> 2009/1/5 Yudi Rosen <yr42.lists@gmail.com>:
> > It's interesting to note how the PA Palestinians in the West Bank are
> living
> > peacefully - they're not launching attacks on Israeli citizens, and
> therefor
> > aren't being attacked back by Israel. In fact, many of them have jobs
> within
> > Israeli areas and receive benefits from the Israeli government (my
> source?
> > I'm there right now, I've asked to both Jews and Arabs about this).
> >
> > Yet in Gaza, the ruling party (Hamas) has vowed not just to establish a
> > Palestinian country, but also to destroy Israel and kill every last Jew.
> And
> > they attempt to make good on their words by deliberately and specificly
> > targeting civillians, even killing other Palestinians in the proccess. In
> > order to defend it's own people (both Jews and Arabs), Israel launches
> this
> > latest battle.
> >
> > THEN, (hoping to garner some sympathy for the Hamas cause, it seems?),
> > several people start a flamefight on a IT-security mailing list.
> >
> > ...anyone see what doesn't make sense here?
> >
> > There are places to flame about this, FD doesn't seem like one of them.
> > Please let's get back on topic?
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Avraham Schneider
> > <avri.schneider@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 9:25 AM, - o z - <osgo@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Jan 4, 2009, at 10:31 PM, Avraham Schneider wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> When there is no choice, there is no choice - Israel has to defend
> it's
> >>>> own
> >>>> civilian population as a first priority.
> >>>>
> >>>> Let me tell you a little of the latest events -
> >>>>
> >>>> 1) IDF calls a family in Gaza, to let them know they are about to bomb
> >>>> the
> >>>> house from the air - demanding that the family members leave
> >>>> immediately.
> >>>> (the IDF had inteligence that weapons were stored in that family's
> >>>> house)
> >>>> 2) Family members climb to the roof of the house as they know the IDF
> >>>> pilots
> >>>> would not want to harm civilians
> >>>> 3) The IDF pilot fires a rocket to the corner of the roof, making it
> >>>> clear
> >>>> that if they don't leave, they will die,
> >>>> 4) The family get the point and run away
> >>>> 5) House is fired at
> >>>> 6) Explosions ocur due to ammunition and rockets stored there.
> >>>
> >>> Correction #3: The MC actually dispatched MIGCAP to fire 20mm cannon,
> >>> not 'rocket' -- at the next building over. The kill ratio from a
> >>> rocket's shrapnel
> >>> would have killed anyone on the roof, hence, 20mm fire to ward off the
> >>> family
> >>> and scare the dickens out of them so they would bail from the
> structure.
> >>
> >> http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1052034.html
> >> The IDF Spokesman said that Ghayan's house had served as a weapons silo
> >> and a war room for Hamas. Under the house, according to the IDF, was a
> >> tunnel which was meant to serve as an escape route in case of an Israeli
> >> attack.
> >> .
> >> .
> >> .
> >> The IDF has code named such operations "roof knocking," in which the
> army
> >> informs the residents of s suspected building that they have 10 minutes
> to
> >> leave the premises. In some cases, residents of suspected houses have
> been
> >> able to prevent bombing by climbing up to the roof to show that they
> will
> >> not leave, prompting IDF commanders to call off the strike. In these
> cases,
> >> Channel 10 reported Thursday, the IAF sometimes launches a relatively
> >> harmless missile at the corner of the roof, avoiding casualties but
> >> successfully dispersing the crowd.
> >> .
> >> .
> >> .
> >> It appears that the "roof knocking" technique was used in the
> >> assassination, but Ghayan decided to stay indoors with his family, and
> the
> >> army opted to bomb the house anyway.
> >> A lecturer at Gaza's Islamic University, Ghayan, 49, had mentored
> suicide
> >> bombers and would sometimes go on patrol with Hamas fighters. He was
> known
> >> for his close ties to the group's military wing and was respected in
> Gaza
> >> for donning combat fatigues and personally participating in clashes
> against
> >> Israeli forces. He sent one of his sons on an October 2001 suicide
> mission
> >> that killed two Israeli settlers in Gaza.
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> #4: Family found Jesus right away, no, Common Sense...and bailed from
> >>> the roof.
> >>>
> >>> #5: Cool fireworks display courtesy of your local IDF
> >>>
> >>> #6: Kudos to family for making a media moment of defiance, but it was
> >>> really time
> >>> to leave before someone was killed.
> >>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2009/1/4 <Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu>:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You people can't even agree to stop a flame war.
> >>>>>
> >>>> It's not a flame war - it's an off-topic propaganda started by a
> Muslim
> >>>> and
> >>>> defended by a Jew.
> >>>> Just add the subject to a filter rule in Outlook/gmail/whatever client
> >>>> you
> >>>> use, and forget about it.
> >>>
> >>> Defended by two Jews now, Mazel tov!!!!
> >>
> >> Thanks for the help.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "Condoleezza Rice is a very cruel, offended woman who lacks men's
> >>> attention. She needs to be taken to a company of man-soldiers and it
> would
> >>> be just fine. Releasing such stupid remarks gives her the feeling of
> being
> >>> fulfilled. This is the only way for her to attract men's attention.
> Show me
> >>> that Rice is a woman? The only thing she attracts is reindeer. The
> States
> >>> needs to practice the old Soviet tradition when both single women and
> single
> >>> men were not allowed to take responsible state positions..."
> >>>
> >>> --Vladimir Zhirinovsky, Russian politician, rabid leader of the
> Liberal
> >>> and Democratic Party of Russia (LDPR)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
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