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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

From: Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman <buanzo_at_nospam>
Date: Sun Jan 04 2009 - 15:53:45 GMT
To: Avraham Schneider <avri.schneider@gmail.com>


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Oh come on, who gives a real fuck... god doesn't exist anyway. Religion is an excuse to dominate simple minds.

Avraham Schneider wrote:
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Alaa Abdelwahab <alaa.abdelwahab@free.fr
> <mailto:alaa.abdelwahab@free.fr>> wrote:
>
> Avraham,
>
> With all respect to your point, thanks to use a better language
>
> I did not deny that the Jewish ppl exist since what ever many years, but
> does that mean they have to own the whole land now?
>
> They owned the land - it was conquered from them - they got it back - so
> yes, they have the right for the whole land now.
>
>
> I think this just give them the right to live and own their lands,
> without denying the same right
> for Christians and Muslims who used to live there as well for
> thousands of years even before the existence of the idea of the states.
>
> The Arabs did not live there for thousands of years.
> Israel never denied Christians or Muslims from living in Israel, proof
> is in the large number of Israeli-Arabs (including Arab Knesset members).
> The Palestinians in the occupied territories were not born there - they
> were refugees from Arab countries that either fled there during the
> war(s) with the Arab countries (that were defeated) or Arabs that
> entered the land after the Arab leaders promised that Israel would be
> defeated - something that did not happen.
> When Israel signed peace agreements with Egypt and Jordan - the later
> made it clear they do not want those Arabs back - did you ever wonder
> why? Don't they care for their fellow Arabs?
>
>
>
> There might be a wrong popular idea that Arabs have a problem with
> Jewish,
> they only have a problem with Israel, and as you said when Muslims
> control
> the area, they didn't kick the Jewish out of it, in contrary to what
> Europe
> did before with Jewish and what Israel is doing now with Palestinians.
>
> The following is the text of the Hamas spokesman's call for genocide of
> Jews, the Hamas spokesman, Dr. Ismail Radwan, on Palestinian Authority
> TV, on March 30, 2007:
>
> "The Hour [Resurrection] will not take place until the Muslims fight the
> Jews and the Muslims kill them, and the rock and the tree will say: Oh,
> Muslim, servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, kill him!'
>
> I think that proves you wrong.
>
>
>
> The Idea is to live and let others live as well.
>
> Didn't we try that? What about the Oslo agreement? 100% of the land the
> Palestinians wanted was given to them - for peace.
> The 'favor' we got in return was daily rocket attacks from civilian
> population that support the terrorists firing them.
>
>
>
> Regarding the War idea you are talking about, you mean that you
> agree with
> aggressive force usage. So we live in a jungle, who ever own the power
> should kill every one before they have the same power.
> I'm surprised from your idea.
>
> In reality (call it a jungle if you like) - no country would accept the
> daily firing of rockets on it's civilian population.
> Imagine Mexico's drug cartels being voted in as elect government by 90%
> of Mexican people - and them deciding to get California back from the
> U.S. - then starting to shoot low-grade rockets at San-Diego.
> How do you think the U.S. would react?
> How do you expect the U.S. to react?
>
>
>
> So you want to say that it was a big mistake that Muslims didn't
> kill all
> Christians and Jewish when they were much more powerful and they had the
> chance? No that is not acceptable we are civilized ppl and we
> believe that
> we all should live in peace and equally treat ppl regardless their
> religion,
> color, origin ...etc
>
> They converted many by the sword and killed those who would not convert
> - they didn't succeed but they tried.
>
>
>
> The history is saying that no one keep the power for long, so don't
> built
> the hate or you are going to pay for it.
>
> History shows the Jews are victorious at the end. Large empires rise and
> fall - but at the end of the day, the Jews are right and justice prevails.
>
>
>
>
> Hope that you will not change your idea when positions will be changed.
>
> You assume 'positions' will change - I don't see that happening...
> regardless I have G-d on my side so I have nothing to be afraid.
>
>
>
> But we will never change our idea.
>
> I know - story has it's Mr. Evil - in the story of reality today Mr.
> Evil is played by radical Islam. I hope it is the last Mr. Evil the
> world has to deal with.
>
>
>
>
> Brgds...Alaa
>
>
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