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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

From: Avraham Schneider <avri.schneider_at_nospam>
Date: Sun Jan 04 2009 - 16:46:51 GMT
To: "Alaa Abdelwahab" <alaa.abdelwahab@free.fr>


On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Alaa Abdelwahab <alaa.abdelwahab@free.fr>wrote:

> Avraham,
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> I see you are telling so many mistakes here and I don't believe we all have
> time to follow.
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Heh. funny - I was responding to your propaganda that was completely off-topic to this list - if you don't have time to follow up on your own propaganda, then do us all a favor and keep it to yourself.

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> If you really care to continue this discussion, thanks to only send to my
> address, and I will be more than happy to go through this argue as long as
> it takes,.
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Nope - not interested.

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> Just one comment, who ever does not believe that things are changing and
> positions are always exchanged is doing a big mistake and he will be only
> blaming himself
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I already mentioned I am willing to live with it - what value are you adding to the discussion with this statement?

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> I will not remind you who accept the Jewish when they were kicked out of
> Europe maybe 100 years ago, who give them homes and land to live in. if you
> believe that things are not changing.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_lands

While violence and discrimination against Jews in Arab countries started to increase several years before 1948, it escalated significantly starting in 1948 despite the fact that Jews were indigenous and for the most part held Arab citizenship. Sometimes the process was state sanctioned; at other times it was the consequence of anti-Jewish resentment by non-Jews. Harassment, persecution and the confiscation of property followed. Secondly and in response to mistreatment of Jews in these countries, a Zionist<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism>drive for Jewish immigration from Arab lands to Israel intensified. The great majority of Jews in Arab lands eventually emigrated to the modern State of Israel <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel>.[4]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_lands#cite_note-Stillmanxxi-3>Activist groups such as
JJAC <http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=JJAC&action=edit&redlink=1>and JIMENA <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JIMENA> claim that there was a collusion among Arab states to persecute Jews as part of their struggle against Israel.[5]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_lands#cite_note-JJAC_Press_release-4>

The process grew apace as Arab nations under French, British and Italian colonial
rule <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colony> or protection<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protectorate>gained independence. Further, anti-Jewish sentiment within the Arab-majority states was exacerbated by the Arab-Israeli wars. Within a few years after the Six Day War <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Day_War> (1967) there were only remnants of Jewish communities left in most Arab lands. Jews in Arab lands were reduced from more than 800,000 in 1948 to perhaps 16,000 in 1991. [4]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_lands#cite_note-Stillmanxxi-3> Some claim that the Jewish exodus from Arab lands is a historical parallel to the Palestinian exodus
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_exodus>during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, while others reject this comparison as simplistic.

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> Again I'm not talking about Jewish, I have nothing against them they are my
> friends, neighbors, and even co-workers and I do really love them.
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Keep in mind - Israel == Jews.

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> I'm talking about Israel state actions.
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> Israel is not the land for all Jewish, if this is true why we see many
> Jewish against Israel, and sometime they go beyond that and talking the same
> like most radical ppl are saying that Israel should never even exist. Do u
> have an explanation for that ?
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Yes I do. There are many non religious Jews - that's a sad truth and a direct result of the holocaust. The good side is that it's about to change (non religious Jews have less children than religious, plus the fact that many are becoming religious again.)
Among the non-religious Jews, there are many that are blind to the facts as you are, but unlike you they are blind due to Jewish compassionate nature - The time will come when they will realize that by being compassionate to the wicked they become cruel to the just. Don't worry, I don't expect you to understand this.

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> Thanks for your time and I wish you have a peaceful life we all deserve.
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I agree. Stop shooting rockets at us and stop with the suicide bombs, you will have a peaceful life.

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> Brgds…Alaa
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