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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

From: Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman <buanzo_at_nospam>
Date: Sun Jan 04 2009 - 16:08:21 GMT
To: Avraham Schneider <avri.schneider@gmail.com>


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yeah, yeah...

Avraham Schneider wrote:
> yeah, yeah... I know it's painful to hear the truth.
>
> On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 6:03 PM, Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman
> <buanzo@buanzo.com.ar <mailto:buanzo@buanzo.com.ar>> wrote:
>
> yeah, yeah..
>
> Avraham Schneider wrote:
>
>
>> On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman >> <buanzo@buanzo.com.ar <mailto:buanzo@buanzo.com.ar>
> <mailto:buanzo@buanzo.com.ar <mailto:buanzo@buanzo.com.ar>>> wrote:
>
>> Oh come on, who gives a real fuck... god doesn't exist anyway. >> Religion is an excuse to dominate >> simple minds.
>
>>> At least 178 Jews and persons of half- or three-quarters-Jewish
> ancestry
>>> have been awarded the Nobel Prize,1 accounting for 23% of all
> individual
>>> recipients worldwide between 1901 and 2008, and constituting 37%
> of all
>>> US recipients2 during the same period. In the scientific research >>> fields of Chemistry, Economics, Medicine, and Physics, the
> corresponding
>>> world and US percentages are 27% and 40%, respectively. (Jews
> currently
>>> make up approximately 0.25% of the world's population and 2% of
> the US
>>> population.)
>
>>> Considering Jews are testifying to the existence of G-d - I would
> say it
>>> is hard to make your claim under these results...
>
>
>
>> Avraham Schneider wrote:
>
>
>>> On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Alaa Abdelwahab >> <alaa.abdelwahab@free.fr <mailto:alaa.abdelwahab@free.fr>
> <mailto:alaa.abdelwahab@free.fr <mailto:alaa.abdelwahab@free.fr>>
>>> <mailto:alaa.abdelwahab@free.fr <mailto:alaa.abdelwahab@free.fr>
> <mailto:alaa.abdelwahab@free.fr <mailto:alaa.abdelwahab@free.fr>>>>
>> wrote:
>
>>> Avraham,
>
>>> With all respect to your point, thanks to use a better language
>
>>> I did not deny that the Jewish ppl exist since what ever many >> years, but >>> does that mean they have to own the whole land now?
>
>>> They owned the land - it was conquered from them - they got it >> back - so >>> yes, they have the right for the whole land now.
>
>
>>> I think this just give them the right to live and own their
> lands,
>>> without denying the same right >>> for Christians and Muslims who used to live there as well for >>> thousands of years even before the existence of the idea of >> the states.
>
>>> The Arabs did not live there for thousands of years. >>> Israel never denied Christians or Muslims from living in Israel,
> proof
>>> is in the large number of Israeli-Arabs (including Arab Knesset >> members). >>> The Palestinians in the occupied territories were not born there - >> they >>> were refugees from Arab countries that either fled there during the >>> war(s) with the Arab countries (that were defeated) or Arabs that >>> entered the land after the Arab leaders promised that Israel would be >>> defeated - something that did not happen. >>> When Israel signed peace agreements with Egypt and Jordan - the later >>> made it clear they do not want those Arabs back - did you ever wonder >>> why? Don't they care for their fellow Arabs?
>
>
>
>>> There might be a wrong popular idea that Arabs have a problem
> with
>>> Jewish, >>> they only have a problem with Israel, and as you said when
> Muslims
>>> control >>> the area, they didn't kick the Jewish out of it, in contrary >> to what >>> Europe >>> did before with Jewish and what Israel is doing now with >> Palestinians.
>
>>> The following is the text of the Hamas spokesman's call for >> genocide of >>> Jews, the Hamas spokesman, Dr. Ismail Radwan, on Palestinian
> Authority
>>> TV, on March 30, 2007:
>
>>> "The Hour [Resurrection] will not take place until the Muslims >> fight the >>> Jews and the Muslims kill them, and the rock and the tree will >> say: Oh, >>> Muslim, servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, kill him!'
>
>>> I think that proves you wrong.
>
>
>
>>> The Idea is to live and let others live as well.
>
>>> Didn't we try that? What about the Oslo agreement? 100% of the >> land the >>> Palestinians wanted was given to them - for peace. >>> The 'favor' we got in return was daily rocket attacks from civilian >>> population that support the terrorists firing them.
>
>
>
>>> Regarding the War idea you are talking about, you mean that you >>> agree with >>> aggressive force usage. So we live in a jungle, who ever own >> the power >>> should kill every one before they have the same power. >>> I'm surprised from your idea.
>
>>> In reality (call it a jungle if you like) - no country would >> accept the >>> daily firing of rockets on it's civilian population. >>> Imagine Mexico's drug cartels being voted in as elect government >> by 90% >>> of Mexican people - and them deciding to get California back from the >>> U.S. - then starting to shoot low-grade rockets at San-Diego. >>> How do you think the U.S. would react? >>> How do you expect the U.S. to react?
>
>
>
>>> So you want to say that it was a big mistake that Muslims didn't >>> kill all >>> Christians and Jewish when they were much more powerful and >> they had the >>> chance? No that is not acceptable we are civilized ppl and we >>> believe that >>> we all should live in peace and equally treat ppl regardless
> their
>>> religion, >>> color, origin ...etc
>
>>> They converted many by the sword and killed those who would not >> convert >>> - they didn't succeed but they tried.
>
>
>
>>> The history is saying that no one keep the power for long, so >> don't >>> built >>> the hate or you are going to pay for it.
>
>>> History shows the Jews are victorious at the end. Large empires >> rise and >>> fall - but at the end of the day, the Jews are right and justice >> prevails.
>
>
>
>
>>> Hope that you will not change your idea when positions will be >> changed.
>
>>> You assume 'positions' will change - I don't see that happening... >>> regardless I have G-d on my side so I have nothing to be afraid.
>
>
>
>>> But we will never change our idea.
>
>>> I know - story has it's Mr. Evil - in the story of reality today Mr. >>> Evil is played by radical Islam. I hope it is the last Mr. Evil the >>> world has to deal with.
>
>
>
>
>>> Brgds...Alaa
>
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