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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

From: Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman <buanzo_at_nospam>
Date: Sun Jan 04 2009 - 16:03:31 GMT
To: Avraham Schneider <avri.schneider@gmail.com>


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yeah, yeah..

Avraham Schneider wrote:
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman
> <buanzo@buanzo.com.ar <mailto:buanzo@buanzo.com.ar>> wrote:
>
> Oh come on, who gives a real fuck... god doesn't exist anyway.
> Religion is an excuse to dominate
> simple minds.
>
>> At least 178 Jews and persons of half- or three-quarters-Jewish ancestry >> have been awarded the Nobel Prize,1 accounting for 23% of all individual >> recipients worldwide between 1901 and 2008, and constituting 37% of all >> US recipients2 during the same period. In the scientific research >> fields of Chemistry, Economics, Medicine, and Physics, the corresponding >> world and US percentages are 27% and 40%, respectively. (Jews currently >> make up approximately 0.25% of the world's population and 2% of the US >> population.)
>
>> Considering Jews are testifying to the existence of G-d - I would say it >> is hard to make your claim under these results...
>
>
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> Avraham Schneider wrote:
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>
>> On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Alaa Abdelwahab
> <alaa.abdelwahab@free.fr <mailto:alaa.abdelwahab@free.fr>
>> <mailto:alaa.abdelwahab@free.fr <mailto:alaa.abdelwahab@free.fr>>>
> wrote:
>
>> Avraham,
>
>> With all respect to your point, thanks to use a better language
>
>> I did not deny that the Jewish ppl exist since what ever many
> years, but
>> does that mean they have to own the whole land now?
>
>> They owned the land - it was conquered from them - they got it
> back - so
>> yes, they have the right for the whole land now.
>
>
>> I think this just give them the right to live and own their lands, >> without denying the same right >> for Christians and Muslims who used to live there as well for >> thousands of years even before the existence of the idea of
> the states.
>
>> The Arabs did not live there for thousands of years. >> Israel never denied Christians or Muslims from living in Israel, proof >> is in the large number of Israeli-Arabs (including Arab Knesset
> members).
>> The Palestinians in the occupied territories were not born there -
> they
>> were refugees from Arab countries that either fled there during the >> war(s) with the Arab countries (that were defeated) or Arabs that >> entered the land after the Arab leaders promised that Israel would be >> defeated - something that did not happen. >> When Israel signed peace agreements with Egypt and Jordan - the later >> made it clear they do not want those Arabs back - did you ever wonder >> why? Don't they care for their fellow Arabs?
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>
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>> There might be a wrong popular idea that Arabs have a problem with >> Jewish, >> they only have a problem with Israel, and as you said when Muslims >> control >> the area, they didn't kick the Jewish out of it, in contrary
> to what
>> Europe >> did before with Jewish and what Israel is doing now with
> Palestinians.
>
>> The following is the text of the Hamas spokesman's call for
> genocide of
>> Jews, the Hamas spokesman, Dr. Ismail Radwan, on Palestinian Authority >> TV, on March 30, 2007:
>
>> "The Hour [Resurrection] will not take place until the Muslims
> fight the
>> Jews and the Muslims kill them, and the rock and the tree will
> say: Oh,
>> Muslim, servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, kill him!'
>
>> I think that proves you wrong.
>
>
>
>> The Idea is to live and let others live as well.
>
>> Didn't we try that? What about the Oslo agreement? 100% of the
> land the
>> Palestinians wanted was given to them - for peace. >> The 'favor' we got in return was daily rocket attacks from civilian >> population that support the terrorists firing them.
>
>
>
>> Regarding the War idea you are talking about, you mean that you >> agree with >> aggressive force usage. So we live in a jungle, who ever own
> the power
>> should kill every one before they have the same power. >> I'm surprised from your idea.
>
>> In reality (call it a jungle if you like) - no country would
> accept the
>> daily firing of rockets on it's civilian population. >> Imagine Mexico's drug cartels being voted in as elect government
> by 90%
>> of Mexican people - and them deciding to get California back from the >> U.S. - then starting to shoot low-grade rockets at San-Diego. >> How do you think the U.S. would react? >> How do you expect the U.S. to react?
>
>
>
>> So you want to say that it was a big mistake that Muslims didn't >> kill all >> Christians and Jewish when they were much more powerful and
> they had the
>> chance? No that is not acceptable we are civilized ppl and we >> believe that >> we all should live in peace and equally treat ppl regardless their >> religion, >> color, origin ...etc
>
>> They converted many by the sword and killed those who would not
> convert
>> - they didn't succeed but they tried.
>
>
>
>> The history is saying that no one keep the power for long, so
> don't
>> built >> the hate or you are going to pay for it.
>
>> History shows the Jews are victorious at the end. Large empires
> rise and
>> fall - but at the end of the day, the Jews are right and justice
> prevails.
>
>
>
>
>> Hope that you will not change your idea when positions will be
> changed.
>
>> You assume 'positions' will change - I don't see that happening... >> regardless I have G-d on my side so I have nothing to be afraid.
>
>
>
>> But we will never change our idea.
>
>> I know - story has it's Mr. Evil - in the story of reality today Mr. >> Evil is played by radical Islam. I hope it is the last Mr. Evil the >> world has to deal with.
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>> Brgds...Alaa
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